The dilemma of whether to give or lend money to a Thai girlfriend is one that most people with a strong connection to Thailand face at some point.
It's a topic that frequently comes up on forums and YouTube.
Some people take a hardline stance—never give them a penny! Others adopt a more moderate approach with specific boundaries. And some find themselves giving away more money than they ever imagined.
In this post, I want to walk through this topic and share my opinion on the best way to handle the delicate issue of money and Thai girlfriends, and indeed their extended family, who are often behind some of the demands for cash.
Image courtesy of Vin Stratton.
The Evolution of an Industry: Not a Cultural Norm
For the record, the idea of giving a Thai girlfriend a monthly salary is not rooted in traditional Thai culture. Instead, it is an industry that has evolved over time, particularly in connection with the bar scene in tourist-heavy areas.
In these settings, financial arrangements between foreign men and Thai women often become transactional, with the man providing financial support in exchange for companionship. This practice has, unfortunately, broadened beyond the bar scene and has become an expected norm among many Thai women dating foreign nationals.
This expectation, however, should not be mistaken for a cultural requirement. In traditional Thai relationships, financial support from a partner is not an obligation, and many Thai women do not expect or desire this kind of arrangement.
The emergence of this practice is more a reflection of economic realities and the influence of the tourism industry rather than a deeply ingrained cultural tradition.
Financially Supporting Your Thai Girlfriend
The average wage in Thailand is around 15,000 Baht per month ($480), and most people you encounter in shops, restaurants, and hotels likely earn less than 10,000 Baht per month (1).
As such, many people struggle to pay their bills and send money home to their parents, who often do not have a pension plan or much of an income.
Additionally, some women have children from a previous marriage. The grandparents often take care of the children in the rural family home while the daughter works in a city to earn money to send home. I've written about this in my Cultural Burden article.
In a nutshell, money is in short supply for many people.
Such struggle stories can quickly lead foreign men into the trap of financially supporting their partner soon after becoming romantically involved.
“Farang” to the Rescue!
As a foreign national, it is very likely that your income is far higher than that of your partner.
So if your partner has trouble paying their bills or helping their parents pay their bills, you become the obvious person to ask for help.
Indeed, there are some women, and some men (of course), who aspire to find a foreign partner because they assume, or have heard, that other Thais with foreign partners receive a monthly stipend to support their lifestyle.
That said, not all women expect or ask for this help.
It is common that very early on in the relationship, the foreign partner offers to provide some financial support on an ongoing basis—because they feel sorry for their partner not having much to live on.
When considering this, I urge people to ask themselves whether this is something they would do in their home country.
Would you start dating someone and then, after just a few weeks, begin giving them monthly financial support?
In some cases, I think the answer is yes, particularly if it is one of those sugar daddy-type relationships or mistress-type relationships:
I'm thinking of those dating sites where women from all walks of life are keen to date an older gentleman with heavy pockets. Or a busy, rich businessman who keeps a woman on the side, and to keep her hanging around, makes sure that she doesn’t want for anything in life.
These relationships work for some people at different stages of life. I'm not here to judge anyone's relationship, though, but rather to offer an opinion and some advice.
To pose a counterpoint: It's also worth noting that in the West, men end up spending a lot of money dating women in the initial months: expensive restaurants, flowers, weekends away, etc. It's pretty cheap to live in Thailand, so one might argue that the money is better given to the girlfriend to pay the bills than wasted on romantic extravagance.
The Possibility of Multiple Financial Donors
If you fall quickly into supporting a Thai partner financially, you may not realize it at the time but there may have been some manipulation at play – a pulling at the heart strings, so to speak.
Indeed, a harsh reality that must be considered is the possibility that you are not the only financial donor in your partner’s life.
In situations where financial support is expected, some women may seek to maximize their income by receiving money from multiple sources. This can lead to feelings of betrayal and hurt if discovered, as the relationship may not be as exclusive or genuine as you initially believed.
The Problem with Financial Dependency
Starting a relationship on a transactional basis—where money is exchanged for affection or companionship—sets a dangerous precedent.
It raises serious questions about the authenticity of the relationship. When money becomes a central component, it can be challenging to discern whether the affection and care you receive are genuine or simply a means to secure financial support. This uncertainty can lead to a lack of trust and emotional insecurity, undermining the foundation of the relationship.
Moreover, when a relationship begins with financial dependency, it creates an imbalance of power. The person providing the money holds significant control, which can lead to feelings of resentment and exploitation on both sides.
If you regularly give someone money, they may adjust their lifestyle in accordance with their income. Rather than being frugal and saving, the person may begin to spend on things they previously couldn't afford. They may even take on more monthly bills, such as a better telephone contract, subscription TV services, or cosmetic surgery.
Of course, these additional expenses cannot be sustained without the donor.
Partner or Cash Cow?
As a general rule of thumb, the first three months (at least) of a relationship should be fun and romantic: two independent people living their lives and coming together at the end of the day to share their experiences and intimacy. Having someone quickly become financially dependent on you can kill the romance and mystery of the honeymoon period. It can lead to the expectation that you will cover any financial issues that arise.
Your new partner may also get the wrong impression about your level of wealth. If you are quick to give someone money, they might assume that you are very wealthy, especially in a country where people are generally reluctant to lend or give money. This reluctance is not necessarily due to meanness but because many people live close to the breadline and know there is no state support when they run out of money.
Another aspect to consider is that you might start questioning whether this person sees you as a wonderful potential life partner or merely as a cash cow.
As the relationship progresses and you move in together or get married, one of you may work while the other looks after the children or the home. In this case, the person earning the most money will be fully or partially supporting the other person. This is a natural progression but not an ideal scenario right from the beginning of a relationship. It’s something you grow into as you plan the rest of your lives together.
Handling the “Farang Financial Support” Issue
So, how do you handle a situation where your new partner needs financial help?
It may be the case that your partner is not explicitly asking for your help, but you are aware that they are in difficulty and unable to pay their rent.
The first option would be to offer to lend them the money. However, this comes with the old saying: “Never lend what you can't afford to lose.”
You could stipulate that your partner repay a small amount each month from their salary. Even if you don’t actually expect the money back, this can serve as a good test of their commitment to an agreement and how much they respect you.
Alternatively, you could give the money with the understanding that you won’t be providing financial support again in the foreseeable future.
If you are not wealthy, it is important to make it clear that while you have enough money to live comfortably, you do not have funds to distribute freely.
Offer the money as a gesture of goodwill, and consider helping your partner re-evaluate their spending habits and possibly their career choice to explore opportunities for saving money or increasing their income.
Family Members with Their Hands Out
Lending or giving money to a girlfriend in Thailand can turn into a slippery slope.
As the relationship progresses, requests for money are likely to increase. This is partly due to the cultural expectation that women provide for their families, leading to requests that extend beyond your partner's personal needs.
If your girlfriend becomes dependent on you for money, those previously dependent on her may also become indirectly dependent on you. They may not directly ask you for money, but if they have a problem and ask your girlfriend for help, they will know she has the option to ask you.
You may find yourself being asked to contribute to the needs of her family, including parents, siblings, and even extended relatives. While helping out in times of need is commendable, it can become overwhelming if the financial demands are constant and unrelenting.
She may ask to borrow money in good faith, but the likelihood of getting your money back from someone already dependent on you is very small.
Many foreigners end up marrying into families and becoming the proverbial ATM.
If you have deep pockets, it might initially seem nice to help out so many people who are having a hard time. But you will eventually ask yourself whether it is you who matters or simply the money.
If they could replace the source of money with a younger, funnier version who likes to “buy the beer” a little more often, would they miss you?
It sounds harsh, but many people have fallen into these situations. I've heard from many over the years.
Earning Respect from Your Thai Family
On one hand, it’s somewhat true when people say you will never earn anyone's respect by becoming a walking ATM. However, I don’t think this is strictly true in all cases.
Foreigners who move to Thailand, build a huge mansion in “Nakhon Nowhere,” construct a home for their mother-in-law, and dispense money to brothers, sisters, cousins, and aunts whenever they can't pay their gambling debts or for their next bottle of whiskey, do receive a certain level of respect from a particular type of person.
Those family members will undoubtedly boast to others in the local village about how generous the son-in-law is: “He very good man.”
On the flip side, foreigners who marry local women but refuse to hand out money on request may be labeled as stingy and “not good man.”
However, this is a narrow-minded and ignorant view of the world. Who would want to be around people who only respect those with bulging pockets?
Free-thinking Thai individuals will advise you to insist that your extended Thai family work hard for their money and not rely on you for handouts, despite your wealth.
Just because you have more money in the bank than someone else, it doesn’t mean you should give or lend them money when they make poor decisions in life.
Helping Your Thai Family/Friends Out in Bad Times
Of course there will be times when you want to reach out and offer to help out.
And why shouldn't you?
This is your girlfriend/wife or extended family who may well have treated you very kindly over the years.
It's a wonderful thing to be able to offer that help when you know it is needed.
If you hear that someone has had a very unfortunate experience such as losing their job, or has had a bad accident and been incapacitated for a while, then offering some financial support that you can readily afford is a lovely gesture.
This is very different to being harassed for money, coaxed into lending money, or made to feel guilty for not giving someone money every month, etc.
So if your partner, friend or member of your extended family is struggling to make ends meet and you can afford to help out a little, this is at your discretion. It's just important that you people don't see you as a bottomless pit of cash.
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My Advice, for What It's Worth
1. Don't Flash Your Money Around
Even if you are well off, don't flash your money around by smothering your girlfriend with gifts, holidays, designer clothes, etc., and certainly don't start throwing cold, hard cash around early in your relationship.
If your girlfriend is wealthy and already lives a lifestyle like this, then it’s no problem. You'll be able to treat each other in the same way.
The reality is that acting like a “flash Harry” is likely to attract the wrong type of people into your life. If you're planning on building a life in Thailand with a great circle of friends and a loyal partner, you want people to like you for you, not the greenbacks.
Depending on your behavior and the boundaries you set from the start, there may be family members who put pressure on their daughter (or son) to ask you for money to help them out, knowing that you are wealthy in comparison to them.
2. Set Expectations & Boundaries with Extended Family
The same goes for extended family. If you are paying for everyone's dinner all the time, buying all the drinks, buying all the kids' clothes, and taking everyone on day trips right from the start, they will naturally assume that this is how the relationship is going to continue. They will rightly perceive that this is how you live and what you like to do for people. It will be quite difficult to backtrack from this. The expectation will already be there.
If you want to lend or give someone money once, then make it clear that you're doing it once and won't be doing it again—at least not in the foreseeable future. Make it clear that you have your own family.
Many of us have children. Many of us have our own parents who are retired and may rely on us for financial help. Many of us have siblings, and some of us may have ex-wives to whom we pay maintenance for caring for our children. These people in our lives must take priority over Somchai, who borrowed money from the bank using his land deed to fund a new pick-up truck but now can't pay the loan and has the bank threatening to take his land.
3. Avoid Financial Dependency
Moreover, don't encourage your partner to give up her job after just a couple of weeks or even months of knowing her. It might be tempting because you want to go off traveling and take her with you, but if you break up after a few months, she will be in a worse financial position than she was when she met you. The key is to not make her dependent on you too soon, as it could end badly for both of you.
4. Encourage Self-Sufficiency
It's unfortunate. There are a lot of people struggling in Thailand, and there's nothing wrong with being kind and helping out where you can. But as a good Thai friend of mine said to me recently: there is always work to be found in Thailand, and too many people are not sensible enough with money.
During this conversation, she actually gave me a very good example: She said that her brother-in-law had been made redundant during the pandemic. He quickly found a job driving for Food Panda. He makes on average 500-1,000 Baht a day. This is lower than his previous salary, but the point is he got whatever job he could because there was no one to turn to for money.
Once someone becomes dependent on you for money, they lose the initiative to go out and make money and be frugal because they know they have you to rely on and that you will always give in to their demands. Sometimes, it's very easy to feel sorry for people, but rather than give people handouts, we should try to enable them to support themselves better…that old “give a man a fishing rod” mantra.
Final Thoughts
To wrap this up, let me just say this: what's the point in moving to Thailand to gain more freedom and control over your life, or retiring to Thailand for a peaceful, stress-free lifestyle, and ending up involved with someone who is continually dependent on you for money?
While giving a Thai girlfriend a monthly salary may seem like a way to show care and support, it is fraught with potential pitfalls. It is not a cultural requirement but rather a practice that has evolved within the tourist and dating industries.
Beginning a relationship on a transactional basis can undermine trust and authenticity, leading to an imbalance of power and emotional insecurity. Encouraging financial independence is a healthier and more sustainable approach that encourages mutual respect and equality.
Genuine love and partnership are built on trust, respect, and mutual support, though we mustn't be naive in thinking that money doesn't play a significant role in many relationships the world over.
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blblacar says
Nov 06, 2020 at 3:08 am
blblacar says
All in all, I am not saying that you must be responsible for her financially, I am saying that you should make it clear and have proper conversation about expectation, etc. I must say, every country is not only about beautiful places, there is also history, cultures, and values that come along with it as well.
Nov 06, 2020 at 2:59 am
blblacar says
Nov 06, 2020 at 3:04 am
golfmanusa says
Apr 27, 2021 at 10:22 pm
TheThailandLife says
Nov 06, 2020 at 6:09 pm
princo says
Dec 06, 2020 at 9:23 pm
David says
Let's take myself for example. Regardless of what my western culture dictates I also have a mind of my own. I am not a sheep to automatically do what other people do in my country as part of the culture we live in. Thinking outside the box in other words. I am open to a rational, objective reason based discussion on how to handle a given situation that may affect my partner.
In addition, I have no moral or rational right to force my cultural baggage down someone's throat nor have they. What my culture expects of me may be self evident to me as to why this is the "best" way to be/act in any given situation but I may be wrong and have a highly subjective view of something that if seen by different eyes be considered laughable.
Even if my choice to handle something is entirely based on my cultural up-bringing and this handling happens to be correct, fair, based on reason and sound thinking then this would be something that might be self evident only to me and not to the to other person on whom I may want without realizing force my culture down their throat as so many people all the time do.
What may seem appropriate to me might not seem appropriate to others, might possibly be of a highly subjective realm and therefore this position would require valid justification to the person you expect to accept it.
In other words, no I am not going to pay anything to the Thai girl's family as a dowry just because "that's what we do in Thailand". You can take your Thai culture and shove it up your ass.
If that's the best she can come up with to convince me then this is not a person I personally would consider intelligent and want live a life with. I am happy to change my mind and reconsider my view but rational, objective, sober discussion is going to do it and not appeal to "authority".
Do not allow people to force their culture on you without questioning and raising reasonable questions you may have. Do not immediately "respect" someone's culture if that means accepting it without thinking just because it is their culture.
Initiating this sort of discussion would be a good test to see how well you can communicate with each other and on what terms your girl conducts a discussion. How cognitively astute she is? How is her critical thinking? Can you really communicate well together and enjoy a mental connection deeper than just "loving her" due to her soothing your feelings of insecurity/loneliness and covering your sexual needs ? Be honest with yourself.
I bet you that if you properly mentally connect with a person on that level you will have a much higher chance of not "getting bored" in the future while having a much more fulfilling relationship as at that point you will also be living with someone on the basis of qualitative things that can stand the test of time far better than other ones which people seem to base all their attention on only to find themselves feeling unfulfilled in the future.
Jul 30, 2021 at 11:39 am
TheThailandLife says
Jul 30, 2021 at 5:34 pm
David says
The cultural thing is what bothers me with most countries that are heavily cultured/religious. In the case of Thailand when I was there in 2008 there seemed to be no access into individuals mind who KNEW that their king is the best and "family comes first". I found it really amazing that girls who strive and have to lose their dignity every day to make a living look up so highly to someone who lives in a palace and in percentage terms only a very tiny fraction of his net worth actually goes out to help the people.
With all that said I really did like how friendly and accessible people are in Thailand. The whole social thing seemed much more suited to someone with my personality. I just felt a lot more connected to the people over there than I ever have in London where I always feel alone and cut off. I am considering going back in order to find a thai girl but I have serious concerns as to the viability of this goal some of the reasons I have already stated.
I must say that last time I was there I met some bar girls who seemed to be quite nice, civil and sweet and I would consider dating them to some extent. I really liked how accessible they seemed in comparison to how they are in the west. Of course I always start by laying down my laws of no money requests at any point or "its my culture therefore..." arguments as these things really bother me. Any girl who gets involved with me need to understand that am a "farang" and not Thai. If you want someone to abide by the Thai culture stop looking for foreigners and stick to Thai people.
Nonetheless, for reasons TheThailandLife has already pointed out in his articles getting involved with a bar girl can be a mine field and am not sure that I could ever get past her "job". Even if I were to forget about it am not sure that a bar girl can be saved. I highly doubt a girl who works at bars would be at the level I would want for me to ever be really fulfilled.
Even if she is a lovely person I worry that after the initial period of feeling happy, no longer alone, emotionally and sexually satisfied, down the line the lack of proper communication and intellectual compatibility is going to show up and I'll end up inside me always feeling that "I could have done better in my life than picking the lowest hanging fruit".
Also I would never go back to the UK and start sending money back to keep her off the bars. I hate this kind of "relationship" where am unable to verify someone's else claims and life due to the distance involved. I have no issues helping out my real girlfriend whom I know long enough to trust fully but that will never be the case with a bar girl I met for 2 weeks and left while we promised to each other that only death will separate us.
Jul 30, 2021 at 9:48 pm
Ian says
With my ex-wife, I invested 6million Thb in land and farms to give the family access to a decent income and have a place to live. Appears that is not enough hence my wife left me for greener pastures.
I know some Farangs are contributing over 2 million Thb a year but I'm not in the category where I can afford that.
Oct 28, 2021 at 2:10 pm
Kim says
I chat with a girl that is a single mom living with her parents. She works very hard to just get around 350 eur per month...inflation is quit high in Thailand and milk for her baby is 35% of her income. She explained that her man met another woman and left her while she was pregnant. When I video call with her anytime of the day, she always take my video call even when she is busy...
After more than 1 year of distance relationship, I decided to help her 500 eur per month because she got injured by working too hard and has no money for dental problems...I discussed my intention for a serious relationship as soon as borders reopen.
She is a courageous and hard working woman, family oriented but she was not lucky to get the right one because it was arranged by her family.
I believe that not all thai ladies have bad intention...just have to find the right one.
Oct 14, 2020 at 12:40 pm
Mike Baker says
Oct 14, 2020 at 7:38 pm
golfmanusa says
Apr 27, 2021 at 10:25 pm
KC says
Since April, I have verbal contacts with a Thai female teacher, teaching in Bangkok but originally from the region around Chayapum.
I got in contact to her via a Thai woman living in Belgium and married to a good Belgian friend of mine so I can say, my source is trustfull.
She told me she makes 15K Bath per month of which 1/2 goes to family, 3500 Bath for renting room and the rest for living (4000 Bht).
Recently I offered her to pay the rent which she first refused but on which I insisted.
She accepted with gratitude and now, since her birthday is 15/10, I wanted to offer her a gift (golden neckless or bracelet) and she refused !!! She finds it rude to accept gifts as long as she does meet me ! Thai culture is not easy to understand but I am learning.
Finally, my question is, do you think the money I transfer her every month is well spent ? Because my only goal was to give her some "financial" space.
Thx in advance for eventually reactions.
KC
Sep 28, 2020 at 9:50 pm
TheThailandLife says
Sep 28, 2020 at 10:15 pm
KC says
I know that Covid19 in the beginning to contribute was the reason because I gave her extra to spend on food and things she needed, not only to make her feel comfortable but also to spend money to people that due to Covid19, need the money harder than she does. I told her but as family is also important, I can understand the way she controls her income.
February 2021, if all goes well, I will meet her in Bangkok...
Let's hope it turns out OK.
Kind regards,
KC
Sep 28, 2020 at 10:27 pm
TheThailandLife says
Sep 28, 2020 at 10:53 pm
James E says
Sep 28, 2020 at 10:15 pm
KC says
Will take it in consideration.
Kind regards,
Sep 28, 2020 at 10:54 pm
Grant says
You have actually had to reach out and ask as to wether you should give money each month to women you have never met? It is crass stupidity to bind yourself to a stranger, regardless of the circumstances. I make no judgement on your life, simply on your fiscal naivety.
The author of this post makes several good suggestions regarding money, many are closely aligned with my own thinking. Perhaps because it's simply the "bloody obvious".
The answer you are looking for is actually spelt out for you in the original article. Read it again through a different pair of glasses.
Would you donate this much money to someone you didn't know in your own country..? No, you wouldn't.
There are 5 million children living below the poverty line in the UK, and we are the worlds 5th wealthiest economy.
Dec 29, 2020 at 4:20 am
golfmanusa says
Apr 27, 2021 at 10:26 pm
Sachi says
I agree with you, resently I got breakup with my Thaigirlfriend as she demands me more money even though I was helping her every month for her expences
but after I realize that she is just using me like a ATM,
as it was promise to get married with Thai laws
but Thanks I am out of this scamm sititution now,
Aug 24, 2020 at 1:22 pm
Ian says
Unlike a number of English girlfriends who expected to be bought dresses, jewellery etc. etc. every time we walked past a shop.
The best thing I ever did was make a conscious decision to drop English girlfriends and look to Thailand.
My advice: love your beautiful Thai girlfriend, embrace the culture and be sensible money-wise.
Aug 22, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Henry says
She told me she has to do something as she can't get a Job. So she is thinking of buying a snooker table and collect money from whoever at her village wants to play. I think it's a good idea, well she wants me to help her.. She's not asking me to help 100% just a little bit will do. The amount she ask for, it's ok for me.. She ask for 5,000 baht. But I gotta scrape up my savings and I have many commitment on my own as well. I don't want her to be like expecting my help everytime she is in need financially.
Oct 23, 2020 at 9:49 am
TheThailandLife says
Oct 23, 2020 at 10:19 pm
Henry says
Oct 25, 2020 at 9:45 pm
TheThailandLife says
Oct 26, 2020 at 4:29 am
Henry says
Nov 19, 2020 at 11:26 am
princo says
With covid-19 some companies don't pay their staff, most of them don't leave because they are over 35 years old and they know that they won't find a new job... They just hope it back to normal soon and get paid :)
Dec 06, 2020 at 10:00 pm
golfmanusa says
Apr 27, 2021 at 10:31 pm
Mike Baker says
Aug 21, 2020 at 11:38 am
TheThailandLife says
Aug 21, 2020 at 6:23 pm
Mike Baker says
Aug 21, 2020 at 6:37 pm
KC says
Now I communicate with a late 30 year teacher, not asking for money, not married, no children...Just waiting to meet me...The only problem is Covid-19...
Kind regards,
Oct 06, 2020 at 5:28 am
golfmanusa says
Apr 27, 2021 at 10:32 pm
steven e. plyler says
I value your posts so please not challenging you, just looking for clarity.
Not sure how but this topic could probably be expanded as we westerners are seen it seems living where money grows on trees outside our doors.
Aug 21, 2020 at 12:07 am
TheThailandLife says
Aug 21, 2020 at 12:26 am
Mike Baker says
Aug 21, 2020 at 11:44 am
golfmanusa says
Apr 27, 2021 at 10:34 pm
James E says
Aug 13, 2020 at 11:15 pm
TheThailandLife says
Aug 13, 2020 at 11:48 pm
James E says
Aug 14, 2020 at 1:59 am
TheThailandLife says
Aug 14, 2020 at 4:36 am
ray lintern says
Aug 12, 2020 at 3:18 pm
TheThailandLife says
Aug 13, 2020 at 11:47 pm